* I started by thinking Gabe was totally joking and then he kept talking and I ended up being a little bit unsure. I actually did think he was hitting "ridiculous exaggeration" in the first few posts.
* I think he's pretty honest here & isn't just going "O I was only joking chill" at all.
* Tycho represents my point of view in this debate pretty well.
* When Gabe started talking about his anxiety problems I thought he was going to suggest that the men with anxiety problems talking to women should go see a psychiatrist. I still think he should have.
* I would think that a woman would be 100x better at giving advice about what she wants than anyone else. Not entirely sure why people think that some random guy on the internet is going to know more about how to talk to someone than the person in question, or maybe her friends, but the world is full of stupid people.
* So I don't think Penny-Arcade is great about gender either, but I think compared with most of what I see out there, they're not too shabby. (see, pvponline. or not, really. I don't really know why I still read it, except that it occasionally doesn't suck.) My standards may be pretty damn low, and perhaps they kind of have to be given my choice of occupation/hobbies, but as far as gamer comics go, I think they're in the top ranks for dealing with gender. I was also annoyed about the Lookouts, which you wrote about previously, but this one didn't ping me as much, probably because Tycho was so staunchly in my camp, from the very beginning. (The difference between your interpretation and mine is probably simply because I did think Gabe *was* joking and you didn't.)
I also recently played the first episode of their game, On the Precipice of Darkness, where Annarchy is the brains behind the operation and wears a pretty princess dress. She also blows things up with a flamethrower every so often, builds destructo robots, and is otherwise awesome like Tycho & Gabe are. If that's not an example of good role model for girls then I don't know what is. (Note, I do not endorse anyone actually blowing shit up, in a dress or otherwise.)
(Also, I want to be clear that I think it's fine for you to criticize them on this, and I'm not trying to defend them or anything. I'm just responding to the more general question as to whether this changes my opinion of them by giving you my opinion of them. And, I don't think gender things are graded on a curve, but the environment you're used to does affect how "good" or "bad" you consider it.)
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Date: 2009-08-14 09:20 pm (UTC)* I think he's pretty honest here & isn't just going "O I was only joking chill" at all.
* Tycho represents my point of view in this debate pretty well.
* When Gabe started talking about his anxiety problems I thought he was going to suggest that the men with anxiety problems talking to women should go see a psychiatrist. I still think he should have.
* I would think that a woman would be 100x better at giving advice about what she wants than anyone else. Not entirely sure why people think that some random guy on the internet is going to know more about how to talk to someone than the person in question, or maybe her friends, but the world is full of stupid people.
* So I don't think Penny-Arcade is great about gender either, but I think compared with most of what I see out there, they're not too shabby. (see, pvponline. or not, really. I don't really know why I still read it, except that it occasionally doesn't suck.) My standards may be pretty damn low, and perhaps they kind of have to be given my choice of occupation/hobbies, but as far as gamer comics go, I think they're in the top ranks for dealing with gender. I was also annoyed about the Lookouts, which you wrote about previously, but this one didn't ping me as much, probably because Tycho was so staunchly in my camp, from the very beginning. (The difference between your interpretation and mine is probably simply because I did think Gabe *was* joking and you didn't.)
I also recently played the first episode of their game, On the Precipice of Darkness, where Annarchy is the brains behind the operation and wears a pretty princess dress. She also blows things up with a flamethrower every so often, builds destructo robots, and is otherwise awesome like Tycho & Gabe are. If that's not an example of good role model for girls then I don't know what is. (Note, I do not endorse anyone actually blowing shit up, in a dress or otherwise.)
(Also, I want to be clear that I think it's fine for you to criticize them on this, and I'm not trying to defend them or anything. I'm just responding to the more general question as to whether this changes my opinion of them by giving you my opinion of them. And, I don't think gender things are graded on a curve, but the environment you're used to does affect how "good" or "bad" you consider it.)